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	<title>Comments on: Circling Back Around on SSL</title>
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		<title>By: RiskAnalys.is</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=322&#038;cpage=1#comment-453</link>
		<dc:creator>RiskAnalys.is</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Mar 2007 12:07:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;strong&gt;Whats Your Risk Style, Part II&lt;/strong&gt;

So if we dont have the quality of data to use an objectivist approach to probability, that leaves two alternatives:
Donn Parkers no risk approach - where we dont acknowledge probability, frequency, or risk at all, or
A ...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Whats Your Risk Style, Part II</strong></p>
<p>So if we dont have the quality of data to use an objectivist approach to probability, that leaves two alternatives:<br />
Donn Parkers no risk approach &#8211; where we dont acknowledge probability, frequency, or risk at all, or<br />
A &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PaulM</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=322&#038;cpage=1#comment-452</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 18:17:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can&#039;t believe I&#039;m agreeing with Pete Lindstrom, but here I am.

SSL, as it is implemented on the web, is next to useless.

Don&#039;t throw the baby out with the bathwater, though.  SSL, as implemented on corporate wireless networks via EAP-TLS, is good security, authenticating both endpoints to each other as well as users.

And I don&#039;t know how &quot;stuck&quot; we are for those connections where we can influence both endpoints.  SSL is easy and ubiquitous on the web, which is part of why it sucks there.

For point-to-point encryption where you can influence both endpoints, I think anything is on the table, even from a compliance perspective.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t believe I&#8217;m agreeing with Pete Lindstrom, but here I am.</p>
<p>SSL, as it is implemented on the web, is next to useless.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t throw the baby out with the bathwater, though.  SSL, as implemented on corporate wireless networks via EAP-TLS, is good security, authenticating both endpoints to each other as well as users.</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know how &#8220;stuck&#8221; we are for those connections where we can influence both endpoints.  SSL is easy and ubiquitous on the web, which is part of why it sucks there.</p>
<p>For point-to-point encryption where you can influence both endpoints, I think anything is on the table, even from a compliance perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: kurt wismer</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=322&#038;cpage=1#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>kurt wismer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Mar 2007 16:54:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The question at hand is, if SSL were removed would it increase the number of attacks/exploits against a website? &quot;

i suspect it would decrease the number of attacks against a website...

why do people attack websites? what are attackers trying to get? if they&#039;re trying to get confidential information that people enter into websites then when it suddenly becomes possible to snatch that information right out of the network during transit there won&#039;t be much need to attack the website anymore...
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question at hand is, if SSL were removed would it increase the number of attacks/exploits against a website? &#8221;</p>
<p>i suspect it would decrease the number of attacks against a website&#8230;</p>
<p>why do people attack websites? what are attackers trying to get? if they&#8217;re trying to get confidential information that people enter into websites then when it suddenly becomes possible to snatch that information right out of the network during transit there won&#8217;t be much need to attack the website anymore&#8230;</p>
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