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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=488&#038;cpage=1#comment-770</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 12:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@John -

That is a reasonable scenario; one worth being aware of. Regardless, I still believe it is pretty unlikely, or at least a lot less likely than my aforementioned Blaster/Slammer examples. (In my mind, that is the real problem - we had some pretty serious worms in the past and people are now trying to re-orient consumers to be more afraid of less significant problems.)

If you have to build a multi-step scenario for it to work, then it just doesn&#039;t ring &quot;extremely critical&quot; to me... you are welcome to describe these circumstances (as has occurred) and suggest that under these constraints, it is &quot;extremely critical,&quot; just don&#039;t suggest it to the world when the majority (by far) is highly unlikely to be affected.

As far as a solution is concerned, simply removing .wmf associations should solve the problem (maybe not for the Google problem). If that doesn&#039;t work, there are registry settings and DLLs that you can change. I suspect antivirus software can be effective here as well.

And remember, don&#039;t surf to the four websites that are affected and don&#039;t set Google desktop to automatic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John -</p>
<p>That is a reasonable scenario; one worth being aware of. Regardless, I still believe it is pretty unlikely, or at least a lot less likely than my aforementioned Blaster/Slammer examples. (In my mind, that is the real problem &#8211; we had some pretty serious worms in the past and people are now trying to re-orient consumers to be more afraid of less significant problems.)</p>
<p>If you have to build a multi-step scenario for it to work, then it just doesn&#8217;t ring &#8220;extremely critical&#8221; to me&#8230; you are welcome to describe these circumstances (as has occurred) and suggest that under these constraints, it is &#8220;extremely critical,&#8221; just don&#8217;t suggest it to the world when the majority (by far) is highly unlikely to be affected.</p>
<p>As far as a solution is concerned, simply removing .wmf associations should solve the problem (maybe not for the Google problem). If that doesn&#8217;t work, there are registry settings and DLLs that you can change. I suspect antivirus software can be effective here as well.</p>
<p>And remember, don&#8217;t surf to the four websites that are affected and don&#8217;t set Google desktop to automatic.</p>
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		<title>By: John Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 07:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This doesn&#039;t sound right. As noted elsewhere, you get burned if Google Desktop indexes a file containing the exploit.

So, while you&#039;re away from your PC, somebody sends you an email with a bad WMF as an attachment. Google Desktop will index it immediatly and you get infected totally automatically. Sounds like no user interaction to me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This doesn&#8217;t sound right. As noted elsewhere, you get burned if Google Desktop indexes a file containing the exploit.</p>
<p>So, while you&#8217;re away from your PC, somebody sends you an email with a bad WMF as an attachment. Google Desktop will index it immediatly and you get infected totally automatically. Sounds like no user interaction to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=488&#038;cpage=1#comment-768</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 03:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@lemming -

I think the likelihood of some &quot;trusted&quot; site becoming infected is fairly low. Staying infected is close to zero (someone would scream fairly quickly). Sure, it could happen, but this isn&#039;t really the type of thing you can hide all that easily.

It is worth noting that this malware doesn&#039;t have to propagate via the Web, but I can&#039;t come up with a legitimate way to infect someone that doesn&#039;t involve one or more clicks.

I think basic protection is fairly straightforward - I just went in and disabled my .wmf file association so that it would require (at least) two clicks to view a file. It may have a significant impact for those folks who use .wmf files quite frequently, I suppose.

I guess my real problem is that an &quot;extremely critical&quot; rating leaves no room for differentiation of threats that I consider much more significant - in particular, worms like Blaster and Slammer.

Note as well that my final recommendation is much more important than simply &quot;not clicking,&quot; it involves a new (for some) way of thinking about the problem - host intrusion prevention.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@lemming -</p>
<p>I think the likelihood of some &#8220;trusted&#8221; site becoming infected is fairly low. Staying infected is close to zero (someone would scream fairly quickly). Sure, it could happen, but this isn&#8217;t really the type of thing you can hide all that easily.</p>
<p>It is worth noting that this malware doesn&#8217;t have to propagate via the Web, but I can&#8217;t come up with a legitimate way to infect someone that doesn&#8217;t involve one or more clicks.</p>
<p>I think basic protection is fairly straightforward &#8211; I just went in and disabled my .wmf file association so that it would require (at least) two clicks to view a file. It may have a significant impact for those folks who use .wmf files quite frequently, I suppose.</p>
<p>I guess my real problem is that an &#8220;extremely critical&#8221; rating leaves no room for differentiation of threats that I consider much more significant &#8211; in particular, worms like Blaster and Slammer.</p>
<p>Note as well that my final recommendation is much more important than simply &#8220;not clicking,&#8221; it involves a new (for some) way of thinking about the problem &#8211; host intrusion prevention.</p>
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		<title>By: lemming</title>
		<link>http://spiresecurity.com/?p=488&#038;cpage=1#comment-767</link>
		<dc:creator>lemming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Dec 2005 02:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t buy it... since your defense of &quot;simply not clicking on that you don&#039;t know&quot; does nothing should this infect &quot;innocent&quot; websites on the net, or reside on some file of an internal server somewhere.

The step from step from deliberate sites infecting this to &quot;trusted&quot; sites potentially doing it seems smaller than a potential mutation of the bird flu.

If the only defense is &quot;don&#039;t go there,&quot; your trusting the other guy to not hurt you. There&#039;s virtually nothing the end user can do save disabling certain features. When faith on the webservers virtue is your advice on how to avoid this &quot;funny they call it extreme&quot; vulnerability, well that seems to be a pretty big problem.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t buy it&#8230; since your defense of &#8220;simply not clicking on that you don&#8217;t know&#8221; does nothing should this infect &#8220;innocent&#8221; websites on the net, or reside on some file of an internal server somewhere.</p>
<p>The step from step from deliberate sites infecting this to &#8220;trusted&#8221; sites potentially doing it seems smaller than a potential mutation of the bird flu.</p>
<p>If the only defense is &#8220;don&#8217;t go there,&#8221; your trusting the other guy to not hurt you. There&#8217;s virtually nothing the end user can do save disabling certain features. When faith on the webservers virtue is your advice on how to avoid this &#8220;funny they call it extreme&#8221; vulnerability, well that seems to be a pretty big problem.</p>
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